Scott Frame

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Scott Frame

Postby BigKev » 05 Feb 2017, 11:43

This frame is for sale on British Only Austria. Thought it might interest those who handle the register as it shows a frame number. KP

http://en.vintage-motorcycle.com/index. ... d&limit=20

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Re: Scott Frame

Postby BRIAN MARSHALL » 05 Feb 2017, 16:36

It is 1948 to1950 coil ignition type, as it has the lugs for a centre stand, and the crescent cutaway on the L/H bottom frame rail to give clearance for the Lucas MC45 dynamo. The vendor also sells new Scott gears made by David Holder, so this could also be ex-Aerco stock, maybe even unused....

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Re: Scott Frame

Postby BigKev » 06 Feb 2017, 10:06

It is a lot cheaper to buy your Scott parts through David Holder (Velocette) than from British Only. How do I know - by experience. KP
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby Tman » 06 Feb 2017, 10:09

Agreed...they do charge like the Light brigade for even mundane stuff. I'd be sitting down if I asked the price of that frame..
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby BigKev » 06 Feb 2017, 10:16

Be seated: 395 Euro. KP
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby BRIAN MARSHALL » 06 Feb 2017, 12:12

Well, the seller, "British Only Austria" is Mark Upham, owner of the Brough Superior trade mark, and supplier of new BS parts, so maybe he is thinking Scott stuff is as costly as BS stuff ?
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby petehull64 » 30 Jun 2017, 21:02

That frame was cheap! Just been quoted £350 + VAT = £420 from Dave Holder for a similar Flyer frame!!!
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby Tman » 01 Jul 2017, 09:11

I suppose we all have to accept that parts prices aren't "cheap" anymore. A half-decent Featherbed can go for 3 X times that price.
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby TedParkin » 12 Jul 2017, 17:55

:D :D Indeed!! Prices for vintage Scott spares increase with demand.. I always ask this question.. "" How many origonal vintage Scott spares have been made in the last 60 plus years?? Answer.. Zilch!! "" I rest my case,, Regards Ted :D :D
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby BRIAN MARSHALL » 12 Jul 2017, 19:23

As fully qualified old farts, we tend to lose realisation of today's costs and values. Over the past two years I have restored a 1928 'works' racer that was one of those built for the Isle-of-Man TT. Instead of going there however, it was sent to Holland for the Dutch TT at Assen. I digress.. For the first time ever I have kept a meticulous log of my expenditure and hours spent doing the work. It is frightening ! The work done for me by specialists was engine rebuild, magneto rebuild, nickel plating, painting of the tanks, front fork rebuild, and wheel building. To that cost I added all the materials and spares that I bought. All that cost well over £7000-00. My own work hours totalled 677. How do I value my own labour ? I decided on £20 per hour, an arbitrary figure that is maybe half what a 'professional' restorer would charge, but it totals £13,540-00 !! To all that I have to add the purchase price of the 'basket case' and the separate purchase of a new radiator. The final total is between £25 K and £30 K !! Should I have included my hours of blood, sweat and tears ? I think so, and it all makes me realise that it would cost a very similar amount for a regular production model which wouldn't be worth anywhere near that amount, and it may only be its 'works' provenance, full history, and original frame, engine, and gearbox numbers, that have made all the work worthwhile by enhancing its value. We need to have a long hard think about up-to-date machine valuations, agreed value insurance figures, and the viability of undertaking either a DIY or professional restoration.
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby Tman » 12 Jul 2017, 20:27

Fair point, but I don't need to evaluate the cost/price of my DIY resto's because it's done for my pleasure.
It must be one of the few pastimes where you get the fun of rebuilding, the subsequent fun of riding it and make a few bob (or hopefully, get your money back!) when you sell it.
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby Ian Parsons » 13 Jul 2017, 08:00

The value of a bike or car is determined by the market or purchaser. Do not confuse this with the cost to get it to its current state.
There are very many cases where restoration costs exceed selling price.
I take the view that one restores a vehicle for the satisfaction of returning it to good condition so it can be reliably used in the way the manufacturer intended . The pay off to me is the pleasure in using it.
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby Tman » 13 Jul 2017, 11:07

I didn't realise anyone was confusing cost with value.
Basic common sense says you don't pay for expensive upmarket or pro services on a bread and butter bike, ie stainless rims and spokes, , professional tinware painting etc on a Bantam unless you intend to keep the bike for a long time or you "love" it so much that money is no object.
As ever, the more you can do yourself then the less has to be farmed out and resulting in expensive bills.
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Re: Scott Frame

Postby TedParkin » 13 Jul 2017, 18:37

:D :D :D :D :D The above points are agreed.. However.. If you want to obtain the correct bits for your bike (of any make) then the "market price" is what you will be obliged to pay!! Its simple economics!! A friend of mine works as a motor mechanic at £85per hour.. Another pal needed some gear cogs made.. The projected cost will be in the region of £2500. Programe writing, CMC set up.. Knowledge of what is required.. ect ect.. The days of "enthusiasts" giving stuff away are unfortunately long gone. If the old stuff is available then negotiate a price.. Lets say you want a frame for a Scott. Have you got the lugs? Are you willing to get a jig made? an interesting conundrum eh!! Regards Ted :D :D
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