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I own a 39 Clubman Scott and there is a very small weaping of petrol from one of the Tank seams,not enough to start dripping but when you run your finger over the seam it gets wet with the petrol.I am thinking of trying one of the tank sealers that you pour inside the Tank to seal it.Any one tried these sealents with any success.Look forward to any replyies thanks.
Hi Dicky
I’ve used the older type of tank liner and they were quite good until the introduction of ethanol in petrol, at which point the lining either dissolved or softened and detached itself from the tank. Ethanol content in petrol is going to be increased from 5% to 10% in the near future which will make matters worse.
All is not lost though, as tank liners are available which are ethanol resistant – I can’t recall the names of these products offhand but they are advertised in magazines such as Old Bike Mart. Just make sure when you buy or order, that you ask if they are resistant to ethanol.
Talk to Paul Goff
Petseal now has a new formulation & is Ethanol proof
Thanks for the replys re the petrol tank.
Has anyone experience of using the Ethomix product from ‘frost.co.uk’.
Following on from the details published in the last Yowl of Ethanol in petrol. I would like to publish any personal experiences in the next edition. Please post here if you have any.
In the meantime, use only TOTAL petrol, because at the moment it is the only one that has no ethanol in any of its grades of petrol, and it won’t harm existing tank lining materials or glass fibre tanks. Due to pressure from the Government this situation will change in a couple of months time, but TOTAL say that their premium petrol called TOTAL SUPER will remain ethanol free, and to me that looks like a great decision, and I will buy from them even if it means driving several miles and filling up a jerrycan just for use in my bikes, and if the car needs a fill-up too then it will get TOTAL as well. I just hope that it isn’t too expensive. If you go on their website and enter your postcode you can download a list of the nearest filling stations.
I had truly horrendous experience with the Frosts tank lining products in my 1989 MZ ETZ, and will write an article on the subject for Yowl., so that all members get to see it.
Brian
I have used Frosts por15 in all my bikes, british and japanese.I have had no problems with with any brand of fuel including supermarkets etc.I would say i do more miles than most and this sealer has performed flawlessly.
It wasn’t so much the sealant as the useless cleaning solution “Marine Clean” and the equally useless derusting chemical, compounded by the offhand unhelpful attitude of the guy at Frosts that I tried to discuss it with. (It was a three element pack of chemicals that I bought from them)
I am trying out ‘GLOOP’ from Draganfly
It is clamed to be 100% ethanol proof
What is the situation with an existing tank liner treatment, say Petseal? Can an ethanol resistant lining just be put on over the top? Removing an existing lining sounds like it could be very difficult. And perhaps impossible.
Like Mike, I too would be interested to hear if anyone has succesfully coated over old Petseal – doesn’t sound likely to me.
Removal of old Petseal can be acheived with NitroMors liquid, which was in a yellow can when I bought it recently from B & Q. There is a green can, but that product is a viscous gel for brushing.
If you are to preserve the outer painted surface of the petrol tank, you need to take great care in taping up the exterior in a good poly wrapping.
Hi.
It is remarkably easy to remove old Petseal, and it is sensible to do that rather than trying to apply something over the top of it as you don’t know just how well it is bonded to the metal of the tank. If you Google “Petseal Remover”, you will find the website of Potter’s Tankcare Products in Norfolk. He does a very effective Petseal remover that is very easy to use. It comes in a small plastic bottle that you just pour into the tank, make all the fillers and tap holes, etc., airtight, rotate the tank over and over a couple of times, and leave it overnight. The vapours are VERY poisonous, so do all this in a well ventilated place, outside if possible. In the morning you should find that the petseal has turned into loose flakes about the size of Cornflakes, which can be shaken and hosed out. You MUST wear rubber gloves and eye protection whilst doing this as the flakes will burn on skin or eye contact. It is also damaging to paintwork so you must protect the outside of the tank with some thick polythene, carefully sealed with duct-tape around the filler neck. Potters also do rust remover and ethanol-proof sealer, so you can order the lot in one deal. One word of warning….Make absolutely certain sure that your tank is free from any oil or grease contamination before using any of these products or they won’t work properly. Careful preparation is vital. Also, when ordering, don’t underestimate the size of your tank.
Brian
I see that Potters have got a stand in the Main Hall at the Stafford Show this weekend, number M6. That could save a few quid on postage, and plenty of good advice on the spot.
Brian
Further to my previous posting about Petseal removal, I think that it is probably Methylene Chloride, which anyone with industrial chemical contacts may be able to scrounge, thus saving a few more quid. Do however be very careful with it, and if in doubt download some “Elfansafti” info from the internet. If that frightens you off Potters can do the whole job for you!
Brian
I have used the Nitromors route to clean out residue, after firstly lifting out great sheets of seal that were peeling from the roof and sides of tank. The Nitromors was added with gravel and hot water to tank and shaken violently. Exterior had been securely taped up with polythene sheet and duct tape and whole process undertaken outside with gloves mask and goggles. Worked a treat very clean inside, but of course would not solve the problem that caused the sealant to be put there in the first place. In my case I was able to resolder the base of tank and fix leak, but this may not always be possible. Any experience of using seals that claim to be 100% Ethanol proof? For those with more dire tank problems I copy some recent correspondence with a Norfolk member re: the advert in VMCC mag.
All soldered type tanks restored. Specialist service, no leaks, no sealants used, tin plated and all damage corrosion repaired. Tank leak tested and ready for painting. No problems with Ethanol fuel additives. Contact Tim Berry on 0752 950 4995/01275 218 952 or email Indian344@gmail.com.
Before it went the tank had severe damage to one side, hidden by filler and paint, which I thought irreparable. So far as I know it didn’t leak due to an epoxy lining applied some twenty-five years ago ….but that lining had come adrift in the past winter, presumably because of ethanol attack, and lumps of it were swimming about in the tank (which, on discovery) I had swiftly drained.
One satisfied customer. Perhaps if members have any knowledge of similar tank repair services that deserve mention in Yowl they would care to post.
Eddie