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Many thanks again for the info,I have never had much to do with 2 speeders only three speeders, pre war and vintage,like I said this turned up the other week and I could not believe it, it is in amazing condition what I have considering it may be over 100 years old,I assume that there are not too many veteran machines left around as I have not seen too many over the years.Hopefully I can build it and use it,regards Andy