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I’ve been fairly lucky to avoid much in the way of problems due to ethanol in fuel. Probably as I’m fairly careful about not leaving old stuff in tanks. However, this year I ended up with 3 lawnmowers none of which would start. It turned out it was not clogged jets but rather the petrol in the tanks had absorbed enough moisture to separate out the ethanol as a separate layer (see lower pic). Unfortunately, you only need a small amount of water in the fuel to trigger a complete phase separation of the ethanol from petrol. The lower (ethanol/water phase) sinks straight to the bottom of the tank so ends up in the carb. I suspect it was a bad batch of petrol that had some water in but even so I’m going to be more careful from now. However, it seems a shame to waste the petrol. Fortunately, you can use this undesirable property of ethanol to get rid of it from the fuel.
You can get buy kits for stripping the ethanol out of petrol but I’m a stingy sod so I made up a separating funnel out of some stuff I had lying around for the grand sum of £0 (see upper pic). The vent at the top is a little crude (a simple bung) but works fine with care and I can process half a gallon or so at a time. All you need is to add enough (eg 100ml) of water and shake which will separate the ethanol out of the fuel. Allow to settle then draw off the undesirable water/ethanol layer from the bottom. I guess the octane is a bit down afterwards but it should be fine for lawnmowers and low compression Scotts 😀 Perhaps, adding an octane booster may be advised?
Keith
It is not right that we should have to go through these contortions that will affect the environment far more that a small supply of unadulterated petrol would how can fuel be supplied without any indication of content?
Not Justus car owners boat owners lawn mowers
You can buy Alpen for mowersbut it’s £3 a litre
time for a petition
Why go to all that trouble? Esso Super and Murco Super are ethanol free. Although Esso Super in the West Country is not! Probably a different refinery.
Dave
I think BP Ultimate might be OK as well except in the South West, certainly it seems ok in my bikes
See what I mean selection by roumour is not good enough in an age where every pot of paint and chocolate bar has a full inventory of contents we are stuck with a blank petrol pump
Hang on a minute, I have Alpen for breakfast, am I missing a trick? 🙁
“Hang on a minute, I have Alpen for breakfast, am I missing a trick?” Just take the currents out first Chris!! 🙄
@TedParkin”]”Hang on a minute, I have Alpen for breakfast, am I missing a trick?” Just take the currents out first Chris!! <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= wrote:
Good point, Ted. 😳
Keith, I think that it is more than a bit dodgy to have that petrol sitting on top of a switched-on washing machine….
Brian
It’ll be OK…it’s a Bosch.
The ethanol-proof petrol line I fitted to the Scott last summer…..rock hard. 🙄
On more modern bikes that I have played with in the past few ‘ethanol years’ such as a 350 LC Yamaha, a Jawa Mustang, an MZ 301cc, and a Velosolex, I’ve had endless problems caused by ethanol. Plastic and rubber petrol pipes, taps, carburettor seals, crankcase seals, to name just a few. On Scott engines I’ve come across decaying cylinder base rings, transfer port gaskets, etc.. I bought some allegedly ethanol proof piping and it lasted three weeks ! Tank sealant the same. Why on earth can’t the petrol companies state clearly on the pumps which grades are ethanol free ?
Brian
@BRIAN MARSHALL wrote:
Keith, I think that it is more than a bit dodgy to have that petrol sitting on top of a switched-on washing machine….
Brian
Ha ha. The vessel is empty at that time and just posing for the photo 😀 The actual separation was performed in an H & S compliant manner outside!
Keith
I agree with Brian, petrol should be labelled. Probably isn’t because the companies want to give us whatever they have handy.
that’s Aspen not Alpen 🙂 sorry