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Hi to you all
I have been reading about the closing of the forum to none members, What a pity very short sighted long term because the forum attracts members and encourage people to get involved by becoming members.
I sate on the top table for many a year on another motorcycle club and only see it erode over time with new people with wacky ideas grown adults back stabbing acting like children power gone to there heads, glory seeking look at me attitude.
People forget that people join a club because they can talk and mix with like minded people the Scott owners club is becoming inward looking the only casualty is the Scott Name just because other clubs have gone down that route like sheep the scott owners should stick out from the rest as a open and friendly club and keep the forum as it is now.
Ride Safe
Andy 😮
The SOC management are elected by the members at the AGM to be on the management committee to represent the majority of the members. It is impossible to please everybody and so it is always hoped that more will agree than disagree with the management. There is quite a good principle that if you find you have a significant difference with a person, then it is better to avoid their company than to bring stress to a gathering. As regards the management, I was on it for a while and at one meeting, I told of my experience when acquiring a Scott and Joining the SOC. There was a dearth of information and a dearth of spares. I suggested that the club should look more outwards and hold out the hand of friendship by making information available. A prominent member of the management committee said NO, we must force them to join the club before we tell them anything or sell spares to them. I said, well in that case it would be better to raise the subs a bit and stock a better range of spares. No came the cry from another prominent member, folks will not renew! I said, but it is only the price of half a gallon of petrol. Definitely not was the retort. I have spent most of my life as an “Odd Man Out” and although I respected absolutely their right to their opinions, I felt that they were wrong. Richard Tann was perfectly correct when he told me that I was not a team player, but as my assessment as to what would portray a more encouraging prospect to a potential new member was profoundly at odds with the prevailing culture within the management committee, I did the only decent thing and withdrew from the management committee. I was now free to do as I thought best and did exactly as I had suggested. First a website with technical information, so that any aspiring Scott owner could understand a little of these unique machines and know that if he took the plunge and bought a bike, then technical information was available. Next I made any spares I could not buy readily. My first bike broke it’s crank in 1967 and I went to Tom Ward who showed me a waiting list of about 20 names of owners who were waiting for a second hand crank to become available and he would add my name to the bottom if I wished. He did warn me that if, after a considerable time, a crank became available, it was well likely to have cracks and its future life short. That is when I started making cranks. When my son Richard first made our website, it had an open forum facility, but as the SOC decided to have their own forum, then I closed our forum down. My philosophy was and remains, to spread the word outwards about Scotts to try and attract prospective owners to the marque by portraying a friendly, helpful and welcoming face. I realize that if a person can be encouraged to buy a Scott, then he will then join the SOC, with my full recommendation. With my great friend Steve Enticott we started our free Scott Newsletter and Steve went on to put Bill Jameson’s compilation “Technicalities” on line open access as Bill specifically wanted the information to be open access. I do realize that given the profound difference in philosophy of presentation of Scotts to the rest of the world between the SOC management and myself, that I am not the most popular member of the club, at least to the management. I can only hope that they will take the same view, that although they disagree with my philosophy, they accept my right to hold such views, just as I do in return. So the bottom line is that if the SOC forum is restricted to members only, then I will revive the Moss Engineering site forum for anyone who wishes. Our newsletter goes out to just short of 600 subscribers intended as an encouragement to buy a Scott. I have no idea how many subscribers are owners or SOC members. The objective is to fan the flames of interest in prospective owners in the wider world! Always look outwards not inwards. Roger
Roger,
You have my full support.
You have put the case far better than most.
It will be interesting what the MC make of the strength of opinion shown with regard to this decision.
However, I think you need to make preparations to re-establish the Moss/Scott forum.
If you need any help let me know.
Regards
Steve
Closing the forum to Non Members!!!!!!!!!! Excellent idea if the “moanagement” Committee wish to see the Scott Owners Club die. Mind you with that amount of money in the Club account they can easily afford to pay for the Monument to the passing of the SOC! Rest in Peace!! By the way “None” members! 5/10 See Me!!! However is this a Freudian slip?
If I read the Management statement correctly and, as a former civil servant, I had a lot of practise in reading “between the lines”, it can be paraphrased as :
The club is getting smaller, we don’t know why, we don’t have a clue what to do about it, so we will haul up the drawbridge and wait and see if any new members come along.
As a comparison, one large club that still keeps its main forum open is the AJS/Matchless club, and it is often entertaining and instructive. But it always struck me as ironic that
thanks to an enterprising member we in the Scott Club can buy replacement cranks, while some of the specialist AMC repairers have waiting lists for reconditioned cranks to
replace the notorious bendy ones used on the early AMC parallel twins! Shades of Tom Ward.
Someone has recently started a discussion about the possibility of remanufacturing AMC cranks, that brought some interesting postings. Considering the relative sizes of the SOC and the AJS/Matchless club, it amazes me how long it has taken them to get to the discussion stage and demonstrates what a difference a committed individual can make to a club.
If the SOC forum does become closed, I (as an SOC member ) will certainly not bother with it.
Malc. Webb
This is a retrograde step
the opposite action :to increase footfall is the answer.
Our web site (as opposed to the forum) is very slow to update, here we are in March and its still got a new year message.
Now I know its easy to snipe my website http://www.oldracer.co.uk keeps two of us busy one updating and one with software and formats but it should not be beyond our club to put a little more effort in and we should regard Rogers site as well intentioned but only serving to fragment the cause even further.
As a first step I think we should all be more careful about what we put on the common area perhaps if you know the answer to a posed question and we know its a member asking a “I have replied in the members area” would increase interest and perhaps members…..
@malcwebb wrote:
If the SOC forum does become closed, I (as an SOC member ) will certainly not bother with it.
Sorry, I do not understand this perfect: Do you mean the SOC or the forum?
Kind regards
Wilfried
As a non member I received unbelievable amounts of help and advice whilst looking to buy a Scott. I have now bought a Scott and am now a member. If it wasn’t for this forum I doubt I would have bought my Scott. In short, if it wasn’t for this forum the club would be a member down.
We have a members area so why stop the general public using the general area. Which reminds me, why can’t I get on the members area? Have tried several times and sent mails to the web master.
Suns out so I’m off out for a ride, not on old Smokey unfortunately, still have more solder to apply to the radiator but it’s almost there.
Phil
Hi Phil Thanks for your experience which is in line with my philosophy. It would be good to have a vote of internet users on this, but the few who are able to attend a UK AGM are not really representative of the club membership as a whole. To shut the door and hide like a secret society, seems to me, the road to ruin. The declining membership is natural given the ageing process, so the emphasis should be on spreading the word as widely as possible to potential new members. Enjoy your Scott Roger
Hi Roger,
Will you be at the AGM?
Regards
Steve
Hi Steve I am planning to be at the AGM and will try and keep my big mouth shut as I increasingly feel like an outsider as my convictions rarely tally with the management. However I get along just fine with club members, well, at least they do not throw stones at me! Russian quotation from Marina, “If you are pleasing everybody, you are doing something wrong”!