I had a friend come by and ask the question,how many 1963 Scotts were made? I guessed at 12 but really do not know.
Hi james , Your guess of 13 Brums for 1963 may not be too far out. I have found only two 1963 bikes for my register. S 1318, reg no. 652 PG, and S 1319, reg no. VYJ 141. They are the only two bikes I know of between S 1303 (1962 registered) and S 1325 (1964 registered). This leaves a gap of about 20 missing bikes,but whether or not they all were built is not known, and the family who know arn”t saying!!
Presumably S1299 would also be in 1962, which is always what I understood my Brum to be? (Reg 675BWW)
Probable of no help a friend bought a brum as salvage in the mid to late 60s had very low mileage I have no idea of the year , the motor g box and wheels were used on other Scotts .If of help dating I recall it had Armstrong rear units twin front brakes and some red tinwork( you may have guessed that I know nothing of late Scotts ) . I will contact the last owner that bought the salvage I don’t hold much hope but he may remember numbers if so I will contact you . Regards D. F.
Hi ,Brums fitted with (fat) Armstrong rear shockers are usually early bikes,1956/early 1957. Regards Geoff.
Can anyone assist in dating my Birmingham Scott Frame 1311 (no “S” prefix) and engine DMS 2111? It has a registration number “36” on front and back number plates? From the thread below it appears circa 1962-1963. Are the dispatch records available? I have history from 1980 when it was in Florida, USA. Thanks & Regards, Dan
Hi Dan Re Birmingham Scott Frame 1311. Brum S1303 was built Mid 1962, S1318,mid 63. This leaves (S) 1311 probably built early 1963′ The engine DM S2111 is from the same period and the sequence would have put it in frame S2107,but it might well have been fitted to (S) 1311 from new. The Aerco Jig & Tool records of Birmingham scotts only show 82 machines,the last one listed being S1286 built in mid 1961. Why the rest of the machines made are not in the works records is a moot point! The Scott records can be seen at the VMCC HQ in Burton on Trent.
Do correct me if I am wrong but I believe that some Birmingham Scotts were sold via Murphy Motors and Geoff Milnes as “kits” to avoid purchase tax. Could this account for some of the missing bikes?
Geoff being the most knowledgable authority on Birmingham Scotts, I’m fairly confident he will agree with me that it is not possible to accurately date any of Matt’s machines, either by records (what records do I hear you ask?) or changes in the mechanics. According to David Holder who I spoke to at lengh back in nineteen hundred and fast asleep, it was “just over 300”.
As a basic chronological guide however, the first bikes had a seperate speedo and Armstrong dampers, followed by a Miller headlamp with Armstrong dampers, then Girling dampers whilst retaining the Lucas pancake dynamo and distributor. Then came the Miller distributor, then an alternator. However, there was an element of pick-and-mix – such as some Lucas distributors being fitted after the introduction of the Miller type. It really depended upon what was at hand when each batch of bikes were built. Thats about it!
When he acquired the contents of the Shipley works, I he inhereted about 130 complete engines and maybe a similar amount of gearboxes. That is why early bikes up to about 1960 (correct me please Geoff) had “DPY” crankcases before he had his own cast which were designated “DMS” – reputedly his son’s initials ????
Frame numbers appear to have started at number 1000 – mine is 1028 built in April 1957. Matt told me he walked across Birmingham city centre up to Oozells Street (in his brown cow-gown) to register mine and two others built that month. I later checked the route he took by following the fag ash.
Colour schemes cannot be used as an indication to dating either – some bikes had maroon tanks with black mudguards, or maroon tanks with maroon mudguards, or all black. It is said that on one occasion, Matt was at the stove enamellers and took a fancy to a Gold Star BSA tank he saw there – so had half a dozen tanks done to “see how they looked” – have you got one?
All part of the rich tapestry of a world and times gone by.
My ’57 Brum has frame number 1093 and was first registered on 2nd July 1957. DPY engine. All maroon paintwork except for tool boxes, headlamp, frame and forks. Lucas electrics and Armstrong suspension units.
My old Brum , S1100 Reg 57. Same paint work, as Daves” bike, maroon and black, with orange and gold lining on the tank. Stans” comments are all good stuff.