Determined to use the website I had an interest in a Web fork 300 cc Lightweight . I know little about them but do have several small 2 stroke machines. Are they as under powered as reputed? I have not seen any for sale and I did find a post ( try hard and some are there) 15th Dec 2014 which has sparked an interest in perhaps getting one and improving for my use as age catches up ! Condition not relevant as it will retain the look but might be be ” improved “. Try to use the site and report any weakness now that potentially user difficulties are being actively looked at. Phil
I cannot help at all with your query but it would make a great Yowl article. Good luck!
That’s a good picture of perhaps the 1930 model ? One like that would do. I have about 15 cyclemotors including a Cyc Auto engine. and a twin cylinder Cyclemaster. My Squirrel is 1929 . I just fancy that a Lightweight Scott might be able to be re engineered ( engine porting or reed valved different bearings etc) to go well enough and complement my other collections. I had better now learn how to put photos on here as they tell a thousand words
Philip, be careful…
There is a good road test of this model in the Third Vintage Road Test Journal published by the VMCC.
The early machines were reputed to be very heavy – 330 pounds; more than your flyer.
For 1931, Scott attended to the weight and remedied a few design weaknesses including the fitting of a 6 stud head, Webb forks and conventional exhaust system.
These later machines weighed under the 224 pound “lightweight” tax concession and had a re-designed main bearing arrangement.
I would suggest you would want the later model.
The attached contemporary road report might not be that instructive – it appears that the tester might have been persuaded in some way as his observations are at odds with all other comments I know of. This is for the 1929 model rather than the 1930 updated model. I have never seen an example of the latter and wonder whether any at all were produced prior to the Liquidation and rationalisation of the catalogue in 1931. There is an example in the National Motorcycle Museum, there used to be one in the M&C Collection of Historic Motorcycles at Bakewell and I have one which is incomplete, all 1929 models. I have a works picture of the 1930 model somewhere at home which I will post if I remember.
In my opinion there is likely to be no real difference between the single and a two-speeder when it comes to usability. Many of the parts of the 1929 model were left-overs from 2 speeders (forks,bars,front hub) and the rear hub is a heavy Webb hub as used on the Flying Squirrel Tourer. The frames are longer than a two-speeder and not necessarily lighter. The engine is rudimentary and has been likened to a saucepan in construction.
With two-speeders more readily available and unlikely to be much more expensive, if at all,I know which I would choose!
On second thoughts perhaps the NMM example is a 1930 model. Can’t remember when I last paid it any attention!
Interesting that additions to the website include a nice, as Lewis says a rose coloured glasses test of the lightweight 300. Obviously the 1931 looks to be the better bet. I haven’t seen one for sale so I will keep a look out, might be my last project although I have a Cyc Auto coming to go with my dozen or so cyclemotors.
I killed a spare hour or two at the National Motorcycle Museum this afternoon and (apart from eyeing up the 1911 Scott (still wrongly labelled as a 1914),1913 TT Scott, 1925 Two-speeder, 1930 TT Replica, 1932 Reynolds Special,1938 Triple,1937 model,1939 Clubman’s Special, 1948 and 1957 Birmingham Scott) I took a few pictures of the Single which turns out to be a 1929 model after all. I am now convinced that I have never seen a 1930 model.
Nice photo Lewis . If I find one of these 300 cc singles it will not be as pristine , but I would attempt to make it go and stop well.I have over my 64 years of owning motorcycles , never been an avid rider , more of an ” improver ” but like the bikes to be sensibly original.
Glancing at Lewis’s photos, and remembering an earlier post in this thread, I thought it impossible that this little machine could possibly weigh as much as 330 lbs. I had handled one of these rare and not particularly desirable models when we offered it at a Bonhams sale a few years ago, and it was definitely a lightweight. The 1930 catalogue shows the weight as 230 lbs, while “The MotorCycle” road test of 18th July 1929 quotes 225 – 228 lbs according to equipment. Like Lewis, I would prefer any model of the iconic two speeder to this. It is not surprising that it wasn’t a success.
Best wishes to all
Glancing at Lewis’s photos, and remembering an earlier post in this thread, I thought it impossible that this little machine could possibly weigh as much as 330 lbs. I had handled one of these rare and not particularly desirable models when we offered it at a Bonhams sale a few years ago, and it was definitely a lightweight. The 1930 catalogue shows the weight as 230 lbs, while “The MotorCycle” road test of 18th July 1929 quotes “225 – 228 lbs according to equipment”. Like Lewis, I would prefer any model of the iconic two speeder to this. It is not surprising that it wasn’t a success.
Best wishes to all
This morning I was unable to post the scans of the 1930 catalogue entry for the 300cc Squirrel because the files were too big. I have compressed them, and am now trying again. Hopefully it will work this time & they will still be legible…….
The 1931 Catalogue including less fulsome details of the updated model is now available in the Documents section of the Members area. It also includes details of the “new 650”, based on the troubled TT machines and which never saw it into production.