In my search for a scott i have been offered, as a restoration project, a 1931 registered two speed sports squirrel.I have spoken to annice at the vmcc and the records state that the bike left the factory in march 1930 as a 500 tourer.The 600 engine that is now fitted was despatched from the factory in june 1930.Although registered in 1931 it is eligible as a vintage bike because of it’s date of manufacture, which is good.However this bike will need a lot of money spending to restore it and i am concerned about the discrepancy in the numbers will make the value of the bike lower and make it less desirable should i need to sell at a later date.Just wondered what the general consencus was…Many thanks Adrian
At the Abbotsholme meeting the guy from the VMCC that brought the Scott factory records told me that only a very small percentage of the Scotts currently in existance have the numbers that are in the books. And as far as I know Scott did not have matching frame and engine numbers like other makes.
Personally I could not care less. Scott have always been individualists bikes and a wrong number would not spoil my fun. As an example: my two speeder is registred as 1923, has a 1924 engine and according to the VMCC the frame is dated 1920. My Flyer is a registred 1927 500 but has a 600 engine as well as a later early 30-s frame.
But, in the Netherlands, there is no show culture like in the UK and there is more emphasis on riding instead of showing and a bike with wrong numbers will ride just as fine ;o)
With Scott’s it is very rare to have a matching numbers bike because so many parts could be interchanged between models and years plus they had a habit of blowing up if you pushed them too hard or had oil pump trouble.
If the engine and frame are from the same period I would not worry (just look at my bikes, both hybrids of different models and years) as long as the registration number is the original then it’s worth doing!
Matching numbers bikes will always fetch a bit more but with Scott’s and others it’s still the same bike and unless you tell someone they will not know its not right! You will still have the same enjoyment from it!
The only matching numbers (not known until collected!) bike I have is ‘Layton’ brought not because of this fact but:
1) It’s a time warp bike
2) ORIGINAL logbook
3) I liked it’s looks
4) Oxford city registration number
5) NOT on the DVLA system (it is now!)
The bikes that will not hold their value are the ones which have had their numbers pinched. For me age related number=waste of money!
I whole heartedly agree with Erik on this. Just to make it more interesting, paint it a colour you like not nessecarily what the “records” say it should be!
Thanks for the input chaps.I think i am going to go ahead and buy this one.I learned a little more about the bike today.The bike was last used on the 1974 banbury run, but unfortunatley the owner was killed a short time later racing at cadwell.(not on this bike!).There was then a fierce family dispute over the estate.The scott was allotted to his sister and her husband who have had the bike for about 30 years.A restoration was started some time ago but the owner lost momentum and it has lain untouched for many years.This little background info has made the bike more interesting to me and i am now looking forward to getting the bike and getting stuck in!!!! I will post some pics when she arrives…Adrian
here she is!!!lots of work ahead ….but a good starting point i think…
Excellent. Good luck with it.
Looks like a very good starting point for s stunning bike. Congrats! And keep us posted on the progress….
Thanks for the encouragement, it’s much appreciated.I will post pics when i can, as it makes it more interesting for everybody….I will have to apologise in advance ,as i will need to pick the brains of the board members as i go along so be please help wherever you can…Adrian
Just ride it mate!
anyway here is where i am up to.Although it doesn’t look radically different i have been quite busy.I have had the front wheel rebuilt into a 21″ rim and fitted closer fitting guards to give that sporty vintage look.I have fitted inverted levers,a straight pull throttle and have got it running.I am going to do a total dry build and then strip it for paint and plate…Cheers Adrian
heres how it started
and now…btw notice i have now fitted the forks the right way around .
Take care and think twice about plating the rad. The old rads don’t take too kindly to being dumped into an acid bath, or what ever they use, to clean them up before plating. You may find that it looks pretty but leaks like a sieve after plating.
I had been thinking along those lines myself.I would love to fit one of the new repro rads but i don’t think i can afford the cost so may have to make do and mend where the radiator is concerned…..
The one main item that I could not keep original on my old TT rep was the radiator. I made and changed one at a time, 500 tubes and I never caught up with the leaks. In those days it was not possible to have radiator casings in “German Silver” so they were in brass and plated. The pickling process prior to plating to electro chemically clean the faces for the plating to bond, actually reduces the future life of the core. This is the big attraction of radiators with casings in German Silver, they do not have to be plated. I got a radiator made as a faithful copy and just left the brass casing as it was. A few minutes with some Solvol Autosol and it shone like gold. Of course my main concern was mechanical beauty and it was a great bike to ride. Your project looks really nice and should bring you lots of pleasure when done. Best of luck Roger
over the last few weeks i Have been VERY busy doing a dry build and fabricating parts for the scott.I was rained off from work at lunch time today so decided to make a start on stripping the scott so i can take the parts to the chemical strippers.Anyway one thing lead to another and two hours later this is what it looked like.
I am still in a quandary about the radiator though.I know that in an ideal world a new rad would be the solution but funds really wont allow at the moment so that will have to wait and i will repair the original.