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This thread was before my time but brought back memories (mostly traumatic). I bought a 6″ full sized Dean Smith & Grace lathe about 20 years ago. Getting it shifted/installed was by far and away the biggest project I have ever done. Driving it back it in a an overloaded (albeit braked twin wheel) trailer nearly burnt the clutch out in the car and gave me a near heart attack everytime I braked until the trailer brakes kicked it. It is installed in the basement of my house which meant transferring all 2+ tons of it down a flight of steps around to the back of the house. Even dismantled into 4 large bits it was still a major project to move each one. I still remember that sinking feeling when the lifting eye broke and the headstock slid down the ramp, smashed thought the inspection cover for the sewer and wedged itself solid π It must have taken me 6 months to get it all installed and working properly with a single phase motor. I would hate to be without it now though. Those big heavy lathes are just so versatile as can skim large ventilated brake disks but also turn tiny jobs with ease. Looking forward to retirement when I can use it more. Would love a milling machine as well π
Keith
I guess you’re not moving house any time soon then? π h
@chris wastell wrote:
I guess you’re not moving house any time soon then? π h
Ha ha, not a chance! The basement has the lathe etc and space to rebuild 2 bikes at the same time π The boiler is down there so is always warm in winter and has the bonus of being cool in summer. We might have to down-size eventually but it should do me for another 20 years! Just need to work out where to stick a milling machine now……
Keith
If you only have a single phase 230v domestic supply but like me, find that there is far more choice of 3 phase machinery out there, do bear the following in mind.
With 3 phase motor drives, inverters and phase converters, the key point when buying a machine is to establish whether the motor is wound for single or dual or voltage.
It is only a dual voltage motor – ie one that is wound to work from either a 230v OR 400v supply (by connecting in either star or delta mode) that can be made to run from an inverter on a 230v domestic supply.
An inverter will not transform the input voltage from 230 to 400v. Whatever voltage you put in, is what you get out so you need to buy a unit suited to one – or the other.
I have a late 3-phase Colchester Bantam 2000 and its original motor is wound only for 380/420v.
This precluded the use of adopting any inverter solution with only 230v single phase domestic supply available. (in any case, why would one need the speed variation provided by an inverter when the machine has a fully geared headstock? Itβs a great solution if your lathe only has a 3-step pulley for speed variation, but otherwise β¦.?)
Be guarded with inverters. A great solution for machine builders but they do demand a high inrush current when powering up and have an inherent earth leakage of about 7mA.
(with 4 inverters in a machine drive system you are pretty much at the limit of what a standard 30mA domestic ring main RCD will tolerate)
Also remember that motor starting current can be 6x running current so cable sizing is important to get right if you donβt want the house lights dimming every time you start.
Also, the use of a D type motor-rated breaker is important too. (the normal B type domestic breaker will not tolerate the starting current)
If the lathe starts the motor from standstill each time you start the spindle drive, this starting current will be pulled every time you start the machine. By comparison, the Colchester Triumph motor, once started, remains running, with the spindle drive being stop/started by clutch β a much preferable solution β albeit a much bigger lathe. (bigger motors do have limits on the number of start/stops per hour due to resultant heat build up generated by the starting current)
If you have a machine with multiple motors (my mill has 4 motors) the inverter solution gets pretty expensive β and you run that risk with earth leakage problems.
I read with interest the comments about phase converters and it is true that in its basic form, this technology is a bit crude and not very user-friendly in some products. However there are modern digital phase converters in the market that auto-match to motor running conditions and minimise current draw on start-up. I use one as part of a 3 phase ring in my workshop to power two separate machines, one with multiple motors.
Also bear in mind that a 230v 13a domestic supply will provide you with 3kW max β about 4HP.
Good luck and read widely!
BTW, some really valuable comments in this thread re tooling etc
Tony
Just noticed that this post has had 8900 views…….didn’t know we had that many members !!!!! Happy New Year to you all. Roger
Most of those are me trying to work out where we’ve got to! π