Tinware for Scotts

[John Rose]

Hi,
I have been making toolboxes and other tinware for Scotts for the past few years and have made these available through ads in Yowl and annual gatherings. With increasing frequency I have been asked, particularly for toolboxes that I do not have details for production. I understand that some drawings of oil tanks, toolboxes etc were produced by John Underhill, copies of these would be especially useful.
At the moment I am able to produce:
2 speeder type toolbox (roughly triangular with hinger metal front)
various sizes of rectangular toolboxes
toolboxes for 1926-7 long wheelbase models (sits between mag and rear mudguard)
1934-9 type toolboxes with rounded tops and leather fronts (usually left and right handed fitted)
mag/primary chain guards
If anyone is able to loan any patterns or drawings/sketches so that I may make a few of any of the tinware not on the above list, I will return these promptly with gratitude.
Thanks
John

[Roger Moss]

Have a word with Brian Marshall. John Underhill lent me some drawings of things like gear change components which I scanned, but I did not copy other items like veteran forks. I think it most likely they went to Brian as they were friends. Roger

[BRIAN MARSHALL]

Hi John,
Roger has beaten me to the draw with his reply !! I do indeed have some J.U. drawings of toolboxes somewhere……Finding them in my mountain of stuff is another matter, but I will have a delve and see what I can find. It should be mentioned that the 1927 Flyer toolboxes were quite different to the 1928 ones, in that the earlier one had parallel sides, whilst the 1928 version was tapered, with the sides following the angle of the upper chainstays of the frame. I have a photocopier and a scanner at home, and if and when I find something I will post copies to you.
I also have hammer blocks for making two-speeder and Flyer/Rep type final drive chainguards, which came from the late Ron Mainprize, via John Thompson. These were offered to any takers at an AGM, but nobody was interested at the time. There is also a pair of oak hammer blocks for making the front mudguard fork indents on Flyers with Webb forks. They come with a minor ( and treated ) woodworm infestation, so are probably very old. At least it isn’t Xestobium rufovillosum, (Death Watch Beetle )…….
Brian

[BRIAN MARSHALL]

Hi again,
I have gone through my file of Scott drawings, and sadly there are no toolbox or oiltank layouts at all. I did find however a drawing for the 1924 to 1930 two-speeder oval petrol tank, and somebody in the Club must still have the press tool for forming the ends. Where is it now ?
There is also a drawing for the Super Squirrel rear number plate ( 8″ wide by 6″ high ), including the fixing brackets, and a drawing for the rear lifting handle.
Let me know if any of these are of interest.
Brian

[dave bushell]

Hi Brian
Colin Morris was making 2 speeder oval tanks a couple of years back. I don’t know if they were his own press tools that he was using or whether they were the ones that you mentioned.
Dave

[Roger Moss]

If you are really keen, it might be worthwhile investigating if such drawings are included in the archive of works drawings held by the VMCC at Burton Roger

[John Rose]

Hi Brian,
Thank you for efforts in looking for anything tinware related. I would be pleased to receive copies of all the drawings you mention and would of course reimburse any costs involved. The tooling you talk about also interests me and from the sound of it I expect it would be awkward, expensive and risky to post, so would collection from you would be the best option ? Does the club keep a record of drawings and tooling available for parts manufacture, and if so who has got it ? It would be good if this sort of information could be accessed from a single source – would I be a little naive in suggesting the ‘members area’ or ‘sources of supply’ on the website ?
Thanks again
John

[John Rose]

Hi Roger
I had assumed that Scott manufacturing drawings would have been held within the club, and did not even consider VMCC. I will pursue this lead. Thanks for your input.
John

[BRIAN MARSHALL]

Hi John,
If you are considering going to the AGM, I could take copies of the drawings, chainguard tooling, mudguard indent hammer blocks, etc.. When looking for clutch bits today I came across a press tool for making the later type rear number plates that have a swaged type edge to stiffen them up. I have no real use for it, so could also bring that along if you might be interested.
Brian

[John Rose]

Hi Brian,
Sorry for the delay in replying, a lot of careful planning has to be made so that I can get a Saturday away. This time though I couldn’t quite manage it, so I cannot get to the AGM.
I will however be going to the Classic bike Show at Stafford on the Friday afternoon and all day Sunday. If we cannot rendezvous for this, perhaps I could come over to you on a date to be arranged. The dates I could come over are Tues 17 Apr, Sun 22, Mon 23, Mon 30 – if any of these are OK for you please let me know.
Thanks
John

[BRIAN MARSHALL]

Hello John,
Perhaps best if you come over here, so phone me to arrange. All contact details are as given in Eastern Section details in Yowl,(page 310 in the April issue).
Regards,
Brian

[TedParkin]

How good to read all this from Brian and John!Surely a perfect example of why the General Forum should be open? What a seriously GREAT example to us all!!!!!!!!! Regards Ted 😀 😀 😀

[BRIAN MARSHALL]

Hello John,
Just a quick reminder that I’m still sitting on the tooling, etc., as previously mentioned.
Regards,
Brian

[John Rose]

Hello Brian
Thanks for the reminder, I will ring you to arrange a time when I can pick it up.
I have a pair of exhausts for you that were passed on to me at the Classic Bike show, please get in touch if you are getting desperate for them.
John

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