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Deleted UserVery lucidly put!
Now, Who will volenteer to liase with the Morgan and Rudge Clubs and arrange to see their CD product in action and talk to those who organised it.
Learning from their experiences MUST be worth doing!
A small delay to be sure is better than taking a risk.
I have contacts I can pass on, just phone me on 01664 840215
Kindest Regards
Roger
Deleted UserOk we have had no more input for 3 months.
As an ordinary member, I do appreciate all the helpful postings.
As an immediate help, in the absence of any CD packaged info, I have suggested to Gill Swan at the spares scheme, that they buy some hard copies, perhaps Neil Levings can supply these, so that new owners can at last have some source of info. The club can afford to put some copies in stock in the spares scheme, and surely this is where they should be supplied from.
As regards the CD project.Surely it makes sense to check out the Morgan and Rudge club examples and have the benefit from learning from their experiences. I certainly do not want to throw obstacles in the way of such a project, only to urge prudence. I have long ago learned the hard lesson, that there is no secret to success, it only requires that you know what you are doing, and then do it properly.
For myself, my dearest wish is to show the world that Scotts not only have a noble history, but also a bright future, within the historical bike context. My life is crowded and there is a limit to what I can undertake in addition to making a far from fulsome living. I was just hoping that there was someone out there who had time in their lives to nurse the CD project through to a conclusion was was a credit to the club and not a cost restricted compromise.
Thanks to all who have participated in this discussion and especially to unsung hero Steve Bowles, who I am sad to see is now selling his bikes.
Roger
Deleted UserSept 6th 2004
I received an email from an overseas member who says that he has access to all the facilities to put Yowl and Technicalities on CD ROM with full search facilities. Because of the work involved, he advised that it could either be done by a group, or failing that, he could get it done, but the person doing the scanning etc, would have to be paid.
I have contacted Steve Bowles to ask if I could borrow his full set of Yowl’s for this project and when I have defined exactly the extent of the work, will get a quote.
I discussed this with Martin Hodkin at the rally. Martin considered that as the majority of the membership and management are elderly and do not wish to embrace either computors or the internet, then it would be unreasonable to spend any significant amount from club funds on a project that would benefit only a minority. I privately considered that a motion had been passed at AGM to fund this without a cost limit being specified. However, in view of Martin’s views, I have suggested that if, when a cost is established, it is considered inappropriate by the majority of the management comittee, then another course is possible.
This course would be for me to see if I could fund this as a commercial venture, in which I must recoup my outlay in the medium term without ripping folks off! I realise that I could become unpopular with some members if this was done, but at least the project could be brought to fruition. I told Martin that if this was the only way, then I would require all relevant permission and approvals.
I must frequently remind myself to be patient as a club does not operate like a commercial company
Deleted UserThis is the firt time that I have sent any sort of comment on the club site!. I came to own a (Birmingham) Scott later in Life (57) but still embrace modern technology. One of my major irritations is that I find there is NO reference to any information on the dasics i.e. timing,points gap,type of spark plugs and even tyre pressures.
I think that putting Technicalities on a format that could be used on computer would be a great help to all NEW Sctt owners. I say new as am sure that most of the information will have been gained from the longer owners of this unique mark of machine.
I also agree with the idea that the Club could make a charge per copy to help towards, if not fully fund the project. Hard copier could also be made available, again with a charge.
Finaly I would like to thank all members who take time to post items both on this site and in Yowl
Deleted UserHi Dave
Thanks for your comments. There is basic info in “The Book of the Scott” if you can get one. If these are not widely available, it would not be so much trouble to scan it and perhaps put it on a website.
Do you have a copy? I was thinking of putting basic info on my website, (see below) but maybe I ought to ask who holds the rights to “The Book of the Scott” and see if I can put that on my site for everybody to access.
Please do not look for immediate response as my hours are crowded.
If you want to set out a list of questions, I will try and give you basic info on this message board
Kind Regards
Roger Moss
Deleted UserRoger, Dave and others,
I will shortly be putting a scanned version of the “Book of the Scott” on the website. Thanks go to Keith Parker who has taken the time and trouble to scan the book and provide me with a soft copy at the rally. It is in pdf format for which viewing software is readily available free of charge.
Cheers,
Paul
Deleted UserHi everyone
Interesting debate! Perhaps some parts of the technicalities could be available on the website, thaat would be really useful for us computer bods!! Paper version is handy and should clearly be retained and up dated/edited as necessary. In my opinion club should embrace computers as much as possible or face being left behind pretty soon! Ultimately the website will only increase interest in Scotts and encourage higher club membership (across the world ). Paper-light is the way !!
Chris
Deleted UserTo put the book of the Scott on the club website is a real step forward.
If you had told me you were doing this and I had forgotton, then I am sorry. In response to pleas for basic info, this did seem a good quick way forward. I therefore decided to play safe and ring David Holder to check up if he still held copyright and to ask his blessing. Regardless of that, folks like to be considered and I would suggest that a phone call might show due respect and consideration. If you wish me to do this for you, please advise. Past friction between the SOC and the Holder family was not helped by the SOC believing that they had full rights to use this name and trademark as they wished without seeking permission where it was to be publically exposed
Kind Regards
Roger
Deleted UserRoger,
As i mentioned in my posting i’ve only just received the softcopy and so have not yet sought any permission to publish. If you could make some enquiries through your contacts then that would be appreciated and we can take things forward as required from there.
Cheers,
Paul
Jon HodgesI was amazed to read Roger Moss’s account of the conversation that he had with our Club Chairman and find it hard to believe that he should express such an ageist opinion about the Club membership. The Club is already benefiting from the use of current technology! The economic production and distribution of the Club Magazine just would not happen without the use of these new fangled computers. The Club membership numbers have risen recently which to a large extent is thanks to the Club Website, evident by the number of web application forms that came in when I was in the post of Membership Secretary. A good proportion of these were from overseas. As one who has endeavoured to drag the Club into the present times to accommodate our newer membership I am appalled if this is the view held by other senior Club officials. If our Chairman wishes to count himself amongst those Club members who wish to have no part in use of computer technology that is his choice but this should in no way influence the future of this Club. If this were the case the Club will surely die. This technology can be put to such good use for the benefit of those to come.
Other members are already giving of their time to open up the availability of Scott information to others. We have just lost one of these in Steve Bowles who has now unfortunutely turned his back on Scotts but has left a legacy of the first 10yrs of Yowl on disc. I would have liked to have carried on this project but have neither time nor expertise to do so. However I have not given up hope that the project, as Steve and I envisaged, it will be completed one way or another. I have just found someone prepared to scan the rest of the Yowls ( approaching 4000 pages) for around £350 including some software to enable us to index it how and when we like. Its early days yet but hopefully it will happen. In addition we already have permission from George Stevens to put works such as his four part “Made to Limit Gauge” and Phil Smith’s “The Greatest of all Trials” on CD rom which are no longer readily available. Many thanks to Keith Parker for his efforts in scanning the “Book of the Scott” and passing it on to Paul Wilson. Hope there are no problems getting it put on the site. I know Gill was hoping to get the Illustrated Parts Lists on to the new Spares site eventually and hopefully incorporate the numbering system where possible. Time is the main enemy in all of this so if anyone would like to get involved please step forward. Things are happening whether the the powers that be like it or not!
Jon Hodges
Douglas KephartGreat plans! I have been passively looking for a copy of “Made to the Limit Gage” for years to no avail. So plans to put that and others on CD are most welcome news. I hope it comes to fruition in the not too distant future. I will certainly be queuing up for a copy. They will take up far less space than the hardcopy set of Technicalities I lugged home in my suitcase! At the time it seemed the world market was saturated and the few remaining post-run copies had even fewer takers. Who would have thought they would become collectables!
-Douglas Kephart
Deleted UserDear Roger and Paul
Many thanks for your comments and encouragement. No! Roger I do not have a copy of ” The Book of the Scott” and would be interested to know if it is still in publication or if anyone has a copy for sale?. If you or Paul do get permission to put this on any wed site, I am sure that it will be invaluable to new and potential Scott owners.
Once again many thank to everyone who is willing to share their knowledge with other like minded enthuisasts.
dave bushellThere is a lot of discussion about putting the Book of the Scott on CD rom. I hope those concerned realise that the contents of the Book of the Scott varied considerably over the years, especially the early editions. The later editions didn’t vary quite so much, usually just a change of pictures to reflect the current Scott being produced for that year or maybe the addition of coil ignition in 1949 etc.
Therefore, putting just one edition of the book on the CD would not suit the needs of everybody.
I do have a reasonable collection of the “Book of the Scott” in the library
(1912 -1950) but not every year!, which can be made available for scanning when the time comes.
Dave Bushell
SOC librarian.
Douglas KephartThere ought to be sufficient space on a standard CD to have all the editions of the “Book of the Scott” included. Or such editions as fortune allow to be gathered for scanning. That is unless you figure on capturing the fibrous nature of the paper it is printed on! Really though at 0.5Mb per page (and you can probably do much better and still have good images), you can store 1400 pages on a disk. If you were scanning something that was predominantly photos, you might want to allow 1-2Mb per page. And I mean good photos, don’t waste that much file space on scanning half-tone images and line art, it is overkill.
But stop talking about that “Book of the Scott”, I want to hear more about “Made to the Limit Gage”!
-Douglas Kephart
Deleted UserDoes anyone know if anything ever came of this? Is the ‘Made to Limit gauge’ book available on CD or online somewhere?
