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If you have not yet given someone an order, I may have one, as I convert my mag drives to belt instead of chain.
I do not want to go rummaging all through my boxes if you already have found one or given an order, so let me know how things are and if you are still in need, I will have a ferret through. I would put the likelihood at 90%
Kind Regards
Roger Moss

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What we need is to help ourselves in whatever way we can.
I do not have the best memory in the world and so had a useful reminder from my good friend, Gill Swann.
Gill reminded me that a motion was put to the 2004 AGM and passed to the effect that the club would fund the Technicalities on CD ROM.
Great! I did not see any mention as to whether this was to defray the costs of a volunteer, or a commercial cost, so it can be either.
It seems that in this case, we only need to decide what is technically the best solution and get quotes. The job is up to us to arrange and Please, Please, Please, remember, that I welcome absolutely all and any suggestions and help.
I was born 100% ignorant and it is my fervent desire to die not more than 99.5% ignorant! I try to learn a little every day and if anyone can give me new information, or logically show me where I have been wrong, then I will be eternally thankful to that person.
So there you are! A bottomless pit of ignorance to be filled!
Very Kindest Regards
Roger

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Bob,
I am desperate for an 8″ Royal Enfield type rear wheel brakeplate or, if necessary, a complete back wheel. Are any of your parts likely to contain either?

‘Cheers’
Jeff Meehan

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Sorry in advance if I offend but the point of this exercise should be to capture the knowledge that the older members of the club have accumulatd over the years. – Its the new and prospective members who primaraly need access to the info – they are the ones restoring, recommissioning, blowing bikes up and generally depleting the spares stock through use coupled with lack of expertise, the old salts have the skills, the sorted machiney and yet , increasingly use the bikes less and less as time marches on.

So what if only 10% have access to the electronic version, next year it will be 20%, then 30 and this will continue to increase as the membership naturaly churns. To not do this because the majority neither have a need for, or access to the information is folly – If one of the club’s aims is to preserve these fine machines and keep them on the road then its a no brainer – we must do it – the only question should be how.

This debate runs the risk of getting as stupid as the VMCC’s recent policy of not advertising gatherings to ‘stop the modern bikes and hangers on spoiling things’. – The only way to preserve the marque (and all the other old bikes) is to get them used and cared for by a new band of enthusiasts. This can be helped no end by publishing the knowledge rather than petty squabbles about the club constitution and voting mechanics.

I use the old bikes at every opportunity taking them to modern motorcycle gatherings and thrash them mercilessly round the North Welsh roads, regularly surprising riders of japaneses crotch rockets, more often than not they are interestd by the bikes but openly admit that they won’t own one because of perceived frailty, lack of knowledge and fear of the unknown.

I would offer to do it but my lame appology is that with comitments to my job, family and bikes I just don’t have the time to support the club more, I will do in a few years time, as will many others who write in this message board, all I ask in the meanwhile is please put it in good order for us.

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Hi All,
I’ve followed the various discussions regarding this topic on the bulletin board with interest over the last few months and would be very interested in acquiring Technicalities in an electronic format, be it DVD or CD.

Being new to Scotts and having recently started the restoration of a ’29 Flyer basket case I was clearly (and still am!) in need of as much technical info. as possible.

I have, however, recently gone down a more basic route to acquire a hard copy myself and share my solution with you for what it’s worth and for any possible comments.

I was recently fortunate enough to be able to borrow an original set of Technicalities (thanks David!) and being a simple soul I merely photocopied it (doing a second copy for another member of the Eastern Section at the same time).

This was not a quick job! Even using a modern fairly high capacity digital copier with sheet feed and double sided copying facilities it is fair to say that it took several hours to complete. Certainly some (but it really wasn’t that many) of the photographs were not reproduced well enough to be of much use.

However, since completing this photocopying exercise I have spoken to a printer I use in my professional life and they have quoted the sum of £483.00 plus VAT to produce 10 photocopied sets. For this price they would produce Technicalities on A4 paper and each set would be “drilled” to enable it’s insertion in a lever arch file etc. (The latter is not included in the cost).

You don’t need to be Einstein to work out that this equates to £56.75 per copy inc. VAT for a not-quite-perfect version and carriage costs would also be on top of this.

Please do bear in mind, however, that I have not approached any other printers to get competitive quotes.

On the face of it, this is clearly quite an expensive way forward but I felt that some members may appreciate an alternate quick solution whilst the electronic option is explored in greater detail.

If sufficient members were interested at this sort of cost I could be persuaded to facilitate this exercise providing I’m not stepping on any offical club toes! If I am – I guess I’ll be told soon enough!

If this process was to proceed I would also need the loan of the best possible original set as the set I borrowed had a couple of pages missing.

Regards to all,

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Just because no more then 71, at this moment, have joined this web, doesn’t mean that they are without access to a pc, and, printing a hard copy is easy from a CD.
You don’t have to be on the net to read a CD.
If you are without pc, you can ask one who has to print out the parts you need.
How about an inquiry in, why people (newcomers) joined the club, it can’t be the social gatherings that makes people from all ower the world join.
I say it is historic and technical knowledge they seek.

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Hi,

Picking up on Brain Marshall’s point of having Technicalities on DVD for use on a domestic DVD player I think that it is virtually impossible and impractical to have the documents prepared for use on both a PC and a DVD player.

I would add to this that most times I view an electronic document for a bike I print off the page(s) and take them to the machine. Not easily possible with a domestic DVD player. If Technicalites were to be electronic they will virtually have to be in adobe pdf format (for pc) and therefore readable using the free to download adobe acrobat reader

To back pedal a little, with 700 members, and only 70 registered on the website, is there a demand for electronic technicalities? (I would like a set, but I am a new and novice member with access to PCs in the home and office and not representative of the whole membership)

If the cost is high and the demand is low then it is not the best use of our funds and we could stick to good old paper.

IF there were technicalities on electronic media, could this be sold to members at a reasonable cost and used to encourage non-members to join. Selling club items to non-members is illogical and does nothing to continue the clubs existence. In fact allowing non-members access to the forum is questionable for the same reasons.

Colin

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Hello
My Brum has the brass strip too, the forks come from a ’50 Squirrel
JB

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Brian. Quite correct and thanks for reminding me. In truth, we are interested in preparing and recording the info and can present in whatever formats are most acceptable.
Neil. Your willingness to help is much appreciated. I will get the info and the initial disc and report back.
Brian. We certainly do not want to sideline the majority of members. However, when you consider how easy it is to communicate with this “Window on the World”, I can not help feeling that it could be a great boon to elderly members. You have conversation in your own home with members who share the same interests. Older members have a wealth of experience they could share with younger members.
I am intending to write a piece for Yowl about the positive aspects of the internet and how you start. It would be great if a member who is not knowledgeable about computors could receive a little assistance from a local member who was so knowledgeable. A bit of a pipe dream perhaps, but one way goes computor knowledge and in the process, so much traditional Scott lore could be passed on.

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Hi Brian

Good idea about the DVD read only disc.

Please note though that in these discussions care is being taken to embrace the full membership – with a PC or not ..with a DVD or not …as the output in whatever format would be printable – and hence hard copies would be available to all who required/requested.

The details of this end production process do need discusion and agreement in detail – that is who prints off /posts out etc …..but this seems to be a simple task compared with the production of the initial CD /data – in whatever format.

If one of you will let me know the number of A4 pages of text /pics/diagrams then I am willing to obtain a few quotes so at least we know what cost might be involved – if that is helpful and wanted. If this has already been done – then sorry!! I will belt up!!!!!

Cheers

Neil Levings

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If we want something done, it will not do it itself so we must discuss and agree the most viable method, have it costed and present it.
It seems that the majority of the management comittee do not have computors, so understandably perhaps, do not see the need for such developments. I, however, am concerned for new members and the future, so want tp progress this now I am officially on the management committee.
I give my word that I will not stand any ill treatment of anyone involved.
I am a peaceable man, but will not stand by and see those who try and help abused for their pains.
Perhaps when we have collected a good few suggestions and whatever costings and relevant info we can get, then we should have a meeting to agree the best option and how it should be implemented.
If I present it on your behalf to the rest of the Management committee, then it should go through.
Ted Parkin put in a resolution at this years AGM that the club fund Technicalities on CD ROM. To be honest, this years AGM was a bit chaotic and we still have not received official minutes of the meeting. I can not personally remember this item. If Ted says it was lodged, then it was so.
Does anyone who was there remember it?
Kind Regards
Roger

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I think that having technicalities as a pdf (Adobe portable document format) file on cd is a good move, as, for those without a pc it could easily be printed…… but, may I add something quite important to the equation.

To keep away from technobabble, if you simply take the paper based document and scan the pages as they are into new electronic document, then you are simply creating an electronic photocpy.

If one was to scan and optically recognise the characters and then create a new text document, re incorporate the scanned images into that text documents, and then distill it as a pdf document you would have the search facilities built into Adobe Acrobat. For example you could search on the word ‘pilgrim’ and then be taken to all mentions of that word until you found one that gve you the info you required – really handy eh!

I frequently scan into a pdf manuals so that I can preserve the originals – For the sake of speed and simplicity I usually scan as a graphical image and thefore the new document is not searchable, it is useful none the less.

This however is a large task as it basically means re creating technicaliteis as a singe new document.

So, if it worth doing it is worth doing properly, perhaps funded by a single surcharge on next years subscripton as an extraordinary cost.

Colin

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Hi Roger

I recently did this job ..and even I found it really easy!!!

I found that the “rough” alighnment was more or less set by the juxtaposition of the two sprockets …..then I loose bolted the Mag cradle and gradually tightened down using a sight on the chain from the top of the Mag to the crank drive. Fine adjustment was easy with the OS adjustment screw and fixing.

It Works!!

I am not a very good engineer – but even I found this a doddle …do u have the fine adjuster fitted?

Cheers

Neil

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Thanks Roger …and particaular thanks to Steve Bowles for all his hard work and unsung effort.

Yes we must enbrace new technology..and harness it for the good of all.

We all know that a soon as we buy a Scott the search is on for technicalities- it is the bible of scotts – and I know even seasoned Scott restorers who need to refer to it!

How about this then as a suggestion….

The scanning idea is a good one and potentailly the only really viable way to repro Technicalities…but we need access to a commercial scanner which will repro exactly what it “sees” without any blacking out etc- indeed even poor originals can be enhanced if necessary.

This is the ideal solution – as then the scanned material can be put onto CD or printed off for those without a PC…or who prefer a workshop style printed version.

How to fund this??

Well unless I read the accounts wrongly there does appear to be cash in the bank which could fund this essential expenditure.

If you or ANO will let me know how many pages of A4 are involved I will obtain quotes from say 2/3 local asrtwork studios and submit them to t’ committee for consideration/approval.

I am willing to project manage this process – but only if there is the goodwill of the club and the support of the Management Team to do it.

I do not want to find myself being barracked etc…as can sadly happen in this Club!!!!!

What do u /all think?

Let me know

01789 550621

PS of course if anyone has access to a professional scanner then 😆 😆 I will bow out!!!

N

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I agree that this is a great need, so will start a new topic on this subject
Roger

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